He could barely stand up against him. With Superman Prime, it isn't even a contest; Goku will be gone in literally the blink of an eye. Vegeta was stronger than Goku at the end of the Zamasu arc. Jan 22, 2020 Zamasu was once the Supreme Kai apprentice under Gowasu of Universe 10, who developed a loathing for mortals as he witnessed their actions across the universe, leading him to embark on a crusade against mortals after stealing the body of Son Goku using the Super Dragon Balls, gaining the title of Goku Black, or, as he is more commonly referred, simply Black. He was able to beat them with one hit per Cell Junior. 1 Final Fantasy Well-Known Member. It was an admirable effort on his part, but not enough. And what if he doesnt have a senzu bean” because beerus was stronger than goku and faster than him and has a destructive capacity that is MULTIVERSAL. He should at best be equal to him. Although it doesn’t take long for Vegeta to become stronger and restore order to his sanity. Vegeta was not able to scratch Omega Shenron at all. Vegeta and Goku try to attack Jiren together and it ends really badly for both of them. So, early in the episode, when Goku and Vegeta see the evil Saiyan cumber, and goes to fight him, Goku charges at him first in his SSJ2 form, while Vegeta was still in his base, black hair form. Sure, Goku and Vegeta will be much, much stronger than him, but they can only carry that power in a short amount of time. However, after seeing his son and the others in trouble, he rushes in to help. A prodigial God who has mastered Goku's body. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A divisive entry, but still a valid one. nah cos of the timeline shit that isnt goku anymore sorta. yet BOOM suddenly screwattack says that superman is stronger! posted over a year ago so true Scorpion15 posted over a year ago. At this point, Vegeta is dejected and has given up on fighting. His form is stronger than Goku’s too. No chance of even hoping for victory. Goku Black: I'm from a much higher place than you… and I've seen the truth of this world, the Universe, and all things in it. Briefly. It took several moments for Vegeta to finally work up the courage to fight back. They do manage to survive until Goku arrives, but barely. 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He even manages to see through one of Jiren’s attacks and get a few punches in. Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku when they first meet. Maybe during Black Arc round 2. We’re going to consider two main factors. He can control his Ki into a blade and revert it in an instant. After tanking Vegeta’s attacks, he launches a counterattack. Vegeta tried his best against Hirudegarn but falls well short. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but the Prince of all Saiyans deserves a little better. I think you could make the argument that he was definitely stronger when Goku went to train with Whis after Vegeta had already been there for half a year. This is a list of 25 characters that can defeat Vegeta in a 1-vs-1 fight. Super Android 13 wrecks the entire Z-Fighters squad and leaves them all on the brink of perishing. He turned out to be … Hit uses his time skip to break through Vegeta’s defences and knock him out. He creates a rift of Goku Black's and uses Instant Transmission. While he fought Goku several times in the anime, the two never fought in the manga. To the average person, Nono looks just like a regular girl with … It’s almost as if Akira Toriyama enjoys writing Vegeta as a bit of a gag character from time to time. Son Goku is a fictional character and main protagonist of the Dragon Ball manga series created by Akira Toriyama.He is based on Sun Wukong (Monkey King), a main character in the classic Chinese novel Journey to the West.His origin story also shares some similarities with that of Superman. A prodigial God who has mastered Goku's body. He has an immortal sparing partner. His Final Flash attack was impressive but wasn’t able to finish the job. Black makes his first video game appearance in Dragon Ball Heroes. There’s no way Vegeta would’ve lasted long against Meta-Cooler without Goku. With these hypothetical comparisons, it’s hard to definitely say that Vegeta would lose. Vegeta gets a power boost after the battle and gets his revenge against Zarbon. On episode 11, Vegeta destroyed a planet with ease. Obvious moments being: Earth vs Goku (Kaioken doesn't count). There should be a separate sub for idiotic power scaling kids to "debate" in. Might be too late now though, since he ragged out and showed Black his full power (except kaio ken). Making Goku weaker as the story progresses. Vegeta was completely destroyed after Freiza's numerous transformations. It happens again in the Android Saga when Android 18 shows up after he blasts Android 19. Of course, it was unrealistic to expect Vegeta to beat Jiren. 6. Goku Is a Legend. These are the most obvious entries as they have clearly managed to defeat him in combat. so is Mr Satan, Coward the cowardly dog and Popeye, yet none of them are stronger than Goku. Which really puts into perspective Vegeta’s lack of power during the Cell Games. Mortals are the one and only failed creation of the gods. And since he was already in Other World, he would’be had nowhere else to run. Jan 22, 2020 #21 I wonder how Vegeta will react if he does end up much stronger than Goku? Perhaps Vegeta himself is too proud to accept such help in the first place. She even forces Goku into his Ultra Instinct state which he uses to win the fight. Himself, Gohan, and Krillin have a difficult fight against him. 1 Final Fantasy Well-Known Member. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Whis is definitely stronger as Goku could not even land a punch on him during the training in Beerus’s planet. Goku Black starts to get angry and stabs his hand with his Divine Lasso, only to create the Sickle of Sorrow. I mean cmon, Because he's an actual God in Goku's body, while Goku is just using God Ki, I think that makes the most sense. In the Anime, no. Similar to Future 17 and Future 18, he caused apocalyptic destruction in the future. Goku Black is the third evil counterpart of Goku to appear, The first was Turles and the second was Shadow Goku. Which is strange since even Gotenks or Gohan couldn’t win, despite being stronger. It is stated by Future Trunks that Black in his base form is at least equal if not somewhat stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Vegeta beat Dodoria pretty quickly and was about to do the same against Zarbon. Vegeta himself remarks that you should never fight a gag character since you can never win. The other factor is people who could beat Vegeta in a fight if there was one. Having read Goku Black's mind though, Shadow Mewtwo shoots multiple Pshyco Cut attacks to counter the Energy Javelins Goku Black is throwing at him. I think if Goku stopped fighting him he would not get so much stronger. 2. Goku, Gohan, Future Trunks, Vegeta, and Piccolo were unable to even scratch the Legendary Super Saiyan. That "boost" that Goku gets is called Zenkai. Assassin’s Creed Valhalla: 10 Best Supporting Characters, Ranked By Likability. Or as this list shows, 26th strongest in the Dragon Ball world. His Super Saiyan Rose transformation made the relatively new Super Saiyan Blue look outdated and useless. Vegeta is quite lucky he didn’t have to fight Kefla. Episode 2 of the promotional Dragon Ball anime just got released this Monday and boy oh boy what an action-packed episode it was. He tried his best, but Janemba’s teleportation abilities and power were too great. Black in his base form is strong enough to easily beat Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks. Hit was on par with SSB … If he saw Gohan take on Super Buu, he would certainly eat his words from the Dabura fight. It makes perfect sense in my eyes that and he is also adapting to goku's body as he fights him. Her overwhelming strength catches Jiren’s attention during his meditation. With Superman Prime, it isn't even a contest; Goku will be gone in literally the blink of an eye. At this point, it’s fair to say that Vegeta would’ve lost even if he mastered Ultra Instinct. Another movie villain in the same vein as Broly and Bojack, but he’s the original. Zamasu was once the Supreme Kai apprentice under Gowasu of Universe 10, who developed a loathing for mortals as he witnessed their actions across the universe, leading him to embark on a crusade against mortals after stealing the body of Son Goku using the Super Dragon Balls, gaining the title of Goku Black, or, as he is more commonly referred, simply Black. kid buu is one of the strongest fighters in dragon ball z and he can regenerate and hes . Goku could be in his regular form and only use one finger to win. Goku's Ultra Instinct has returned to Dragon Ball Super with a new name in tow, and the newest chapter of the manga revealed how Goku's new perfected level of power compares to … 0. The pink blob survived the attack and lived to fight another day. Also as you may know Vegeta and Trunks surpassed Goku Black's power just by training and Zenkai boosts and didn't require any transformation in case of Vegeta. What made things worse for him was that he claimed to be a Super Saiyan. Back to Vegeta. However, Goku always has the upper hand and is one step ahead. my understanding of goku black in xenoverse 2 is that this is black when he first fought goku and got his … In a semi-serious entry in our list, Chi-Chi is one of the rare characters that actually seems more powerful than Goku… This was one of Vegeta’s biggest mistakes. Goku Black is a powerful DBZ character to kept up with Goku and Vegeta. It all culminated with a powerful kick that dislocated Vegeta’s arm and probably broke a few bones. Why is it BLACK goku seems to have some sort of super, instantaneous Zenkai everytime he is hurt? When he gets beaten to near death then comes back stronger. He stomped semi-perfect Cell but stood no chance against the Perfect form. For this category, it’s only fair to consider Vegeta’s strength at that time. One of the most iconic anime match-ups. Black got stronger then SSB Vegeta from one fight with Goku. Everytime he gets stronger, a new, more powerful villain shows up to ruin his day. Frieza in the new movie has a power level of over 100quintillion and Goku is now just under that. Join Community. He does manage to save a bunch of people from a wayward blast from the beast. However, he uses up too much energy and falls unconscious after saving many lives. Even when the odds are against him, he manages to keep at it until he can’t get up. Natsu wouldn't stand a chance. Similar to Future 17 and Future 18, he caused apocalyptic destruction in the future. Black also grew way stronger after being defeated by Vegeta. It’s evidence of his astounding spirit and determination. he is supposed to be waayyyyyy stronger than Future Trunks but he... has worse stats and only 2 good moves, one strong ult and one cool but weird super and again: these AI perfect blocks are getting on my nerves, AI is blocking the 1st hit of aura slide and perfect blocking the 2nd!!!! Goku has always been stronger than Vegeta. Usually, something happens to prevent them from coming to a conclusion. While Super Saiyan Goku Black is stronger than Super Saiyan God Vegeta, it isn’t enough to edge out a win. Both Goku and Vegeta train with Whis. I noticed the results and decided mortal beings should be destroyed. Goku Black shouldn't be stronger than calm Goku in the second and third fights (angry Goku pushed Black back just like Vegeta did). instantaneous Zenkai everytime he is hurt. The only concession he gets was that Goku was right there beside him getting beat as well. He isn’t able to fight back at all. They practically confirmed it, and cleared it out like broad daylight that Vegeta in Heroes at least is leaps and bounds stronger than Goku! This is Vegeta’s life story in a nutshell. So, there are many reasons why most people think that between Goku and Vegeta, Goku is the strongest. As hard as Goku trains, however, he is far from the only Saiyan determined to constantly exceed his limits. While he does sway the final struggle in Gohan’s favor with a Ki blast, there’s no forgetting his huge loss. At least he gets his revenge as a Super Saiyan Blue. Until he ran into Recoome from the Ginyu Force. Nono/ Buster Machine #7 – Diebuster. Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3. Zamasu has mastered controlling god Ki while its relatively new for Goku. https://www.inverse.com/article/25369-dragon-ball-strongest-saiyans Don’t get it twisted this Goku’s much more powerful. Broly proved to be a greater threat than Bojack since he single-handedly fought the strongest heroes at once. He gets hit with a fairly powerful attack. DCAU Superman is the WEAKEST version of Superman, and it's no wonder Goku can beat him. It's been insignificant to them for a long time now. Natsu Dragneel can't destroy a planet, Acnologia could take down an island, and Natsu. Each Cell Junior was about as strong as a Super Saiyan. Who is more powerful than Goku? However, we’ve chosen characters that are much stronger than him. Goku went Super Saiyan the first time after being pummled by Freiza. Demon’s Souls: Which Class Should You Play, Based On Your Zodiac Sign? Pre-crisis Superman is dozens of times stronger than Goku. Vegeta and Gotenks don’t fight, but there would be no contest if they did. Although he does get his moment during the final struggle. However, Beerus was only having fun. When Goku was ssg in his fight against Beerus, he was constantly improving because he was an actual God while ssb only uses God ki. Pre-crisis Superman is dozens of times stronger than Goku. This is, of course, ssj3 Goku and Super not ssj3 Goku in the Buu saga. level 1 Tr0llzor Now, the question is, can Arale beat King Zeno as well? do you even watch the series or are you just that much of a naruto dick rider. Vegeta was stronger than Goku in Dragon Ball Super season 1 physically without Goku using Kaioken x20 and Ultra Instinct Omen technique. Nah, remember he said that the time ring prevents any changes to him from the past? Spoiler: Reason Goku Black is always Stronger than Goku. It wouldn’t be right to compare Cell Saga Vegeta with Saiyan Saga Goku. That said, the mere fact SSJ Goku Black can even compete with someone using God Ki is quite the impressive feat. Why is Black so durable? In the fights they have had, Vegeta has done quite well against Goku. 4. He does eventually get knocked out by the Pride Trooper. He beat Black and Goku couldn't. Goku Black, while holding back a lot, was tiring out Goku and Vegeta effortlessly and was only keeping them alive so he can take advantage of another rage boost. It's not unreasonable by Dragon Ball standards that Trunks getting his butt handed to him by Black also made Trunks much stronger for the very next encounter. Both Zamasu and Goku Black were able to outclass Vegeta. It’s unfair, but the fact is Zamasu can now beat Vegeta, despite being weaker. The instant power up from taking damage seems to be what keeps him ahead of normal Goku. But that ends with him being pushed aside with ease and Gohan getting his left arm. He may have been beat, but he fought with gusto. Of course, we all know how the rest of the story goes. He was able to push back Merged Zamasu's blast, but so could Vegeta alongside Trunks, and Goku did it at the cost of his arms' functionality. He creates a rift of Goku Black's and uses Instant Transmission. He had just finished destroying Android 19 and was full of confidence. Another Dragon Ball movie, another day of Vegeta getting whooped. The Z-Fighters had a hard time of it against them. It was Goku who challenged Beerus the most, and let's not forget how he finished off Golden Frieza. Hurt by Goku. If Super Saiyan 3 wasn’t enough, then Vegeta was never going to put up a good fight. Zamasu had an unfair advantage since he wished for immortality. While there is a 30-minute time limit, that’s more than enough for Gotenks to beat Vegeta. Now, we do have a few disclaimers for the list.